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WELCOME TO

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An information and debate wiki!
Owner: [Sideways]
Decider:YOU!!!

This is a wiki under construction that will eventually become a massive directory of the opinions of Elftowners.

ATTENTION: this wiki is revolutionary in concept, not nature! I don't want to hear one more unfounded message or comment about this being an anti-establishment or anti Elftown wiki. It is the opposite!!! It is here for you to talk about yourself, the music you like, the faith you have, movies you hate, politics and politicians, special interests like economics, conservation, green energy, whatever you want!!! This can be a place to bitch, but people should be excited, not afraid! Here we can learn what makes each other tick and argue away from the rest of ET, so this place can make ET better, not worse!

Here I want to create a place to post your ideas on everything: Elftown issues, Elftown art and competitions, as well as everything you think about real life. Think of this place like a stone age YouTube. You can say just about anything that isn't defamation of character or plagiarism. I want to know the real ideas of ET members, and if you want to be heard as much as I do, we're gonna have a lot of fun! Also, people will see and comment on your opinions!

I know something like this will take a lot of work, and I'll need a lot of help. But think of what
ideas we can shove down each other’s throats and maybe learn something in the process! :D

This is a wiki based on free speech and expression. We have strict rules, but they are all concerning artistic integrity and plagiarism, subject categorization, and the Directory format.
I want everything else to be about YOU!!! Once we're up and running I will have designed some interesting questions for you to answer, topics for you to comment on, and my admins
and my own opinion essays. Still, this is about you declaring your ideals about art, culture, law, and religion! I want to hear about you! Because...

I, my fellow citizens of Elftown, may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.


The Current EOD staff:

Owner and Benevolent Dictator: [Sideways]

Current Formatting Consultant and Probable Future Administrator: [Alexi Ice]

Useless Troll: [Mortified Penguin]

Dude who Should be an Administrator because He Is Very Opinionated: [Lord Josmar]

Girl Who Will Be Reading Posts For Possible Personal Insults: [Flisky]

The Guy Who Plays With Graphics: [Mystin]


Wiki's that support or have supported EOD:
The Slave Trade Join! Do stuff, whips and chains, harass people because you bought their consenting souls with magical points! Good clean fun!

Bob's Diner A champion of free speech! Like EOD it's slightly conditional though. Here we're anti-plagiarism, and Bob's Diner is anti-sanity! So here you gotta have respect for opinion, there you have to be apeshit crazy! Good, disgusting fun!

C.U.R.E. The place to go for roleplay news, GM knowledge, and super awesome featured RPG's! Now with 70% less tyrannical douchebaggery!

--I have ALL the say as owner at the moment, but I will soon devise a democratic process where things can be changed without my consent if majority rule decided. This is dangerous, because I can have this wiki get removed from my ownership, permanently warped, or destroyed against my will, even though I own this wiki. But the Owner position comes with unfair influence over my wiki members. I do not want all power here. I just want my vision to stay the way I dreampt it. Some things WILL change here, they always do. I won't fight change for the better---

Please comment or message me if you are interested in joining the development process!!! I need banner makers and other sorts of artists. I also need help promoting EOD, as well as people who are raring and ready to start writing opinion essays/rants/reviews once EOD is in working order!

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The ET Opinion Directory - Rules



IMPORTANT! How to speak EODese:
I should make a footnote here about some lingo I use on this site that I suggest familiarizing yourself with so we all know what I am talking about:

"EOD" is my current accepted abbreviation for The Elftown Opinion Directory.

A "Opinion Essay" or "Essay" is the actual submitted wiki page you post on EOD hopefully in a concise, well written idea resembling an ESSAY! *See the rules page. The format you MUST meet for posted essay's is unfortunately pretty strict. You can say whatever you want. The way you say it must meet EOD's expectations, as defined by EOD's tenets.*

A "tenet" is a non negotiable RULE that must be followed on EOD. These are almost all format rules. They can be protested, and perhaps repealed if enough members disagree with it. Right now I'm contemplating making a way for the administrators and acting members of EOD can get tenet's changed through protest, and even if I want the rule to stay it will disappear because of majority rule. However I, [Sideways], Owner of EOD will not suspend the tenets of EOD for an individual situation OR an individual member. In this way the tenets are EOD's LAW.







This wiki will categorize all works of opinion under the following categorization (currently in the development phase but I'll list my ideas for catagorization here):

(example:

RELIGION (this would be the link to the religion based links. A EOD member will post links to their essay/rant/discussion wiki under a link for the appropriate Religion subject wiki. So on the wiki "RELIGION" there would be these links (the bold would be the link, the italicized text the link description) and probably a little disclaimer that religion is extra sensitive so try to be nice.

FAITH "The place to post your essays on the tenets and principles of your faith. Here you can quote scripture, present basic points and ideals, and why you believe them"

(this would likely be an informative presentation wiki, as I want to keep subjects as precise as possible. Ideas a person would have themselves that deviate from core principle of faith might go under:

PERSONAL EXISTENTIAL IDEALS "The wiki to post essays and discussions on your personal relationship with your higher power. Also for explaining anything you might believe outside of your religion's core concepts and scripture. It is reccomended that scripture and textual reference and quotation be avoided here. This is where to focus on your personal understanding of your faith."

(those might be the only catagories for RELIGION. The Elftown Opinion Directory avoids allowing the compartmentalization of topics at all costs. This wiki encourages debate, and would frown upon links that encourage like minded people staying isolated, just busily agreeing with each other. It would therefore be against the EOD's mission to have links like:

CHRISTIANITY
or even worse:
PROTESTANT SOUTHERN BAPTIST.

So yes, I might have atheism and Islam and Budhism and so forth posting in the same section on purpose.
Such may cause controversy, but the goal of this wiki is to present, discuss and debate even such divisive things)

(My current idea is to use strategic topics to keep the amount of links from becoming a painfully large. Let me take a super broad topic and show how it can be discussed in relatively few topic links. How about MUSIC? Music is an enormous subject.
I was thinking manners of discussion is the best way to use narrow but still encompassing manners of discussion. I was thinking LYRICAL INTERPRETATION AND MESSAGE, and PERSONAL REVIEW. Holy cow that's still two topics! But what else can you say about music except for what it means to you, and what it means to art. There's nothing else. Again, using artists, bands, genres and location do nothing but get a bunch of people who either mostly or completely agree yammering like a bunch of boring clowns about the same thing.


Music is a great subject to use for the format example for posting your actual opinion essay.

In the link LYRICAL INTERPRETATION AND MESSAGE, would be the the wiki where you post the links to your actual opinion essays. These would have as clear of titles as possible, and a very short description/advertisement underneath it.

So in LYRICAL INTERPRETATION AND MESSAGE, I post:
An examination of "Closer" by Nine Inch Nails. A lyrical review by [Sideways]
"I present the lyrics of this hyper-sexual song, and what they say about the clear connection between self-worth, personal identity, and sex."

And in the wiki I write exactly what my description says I will.

Of course, it is important to know how hugely important to CITE THE REFERENCED MATERIAL HERE. I would have to show with absolute clarity which words in my wiki were the lyrics of "Closer," and the absolute property of Trent Reznor and NOT myself. If you wanna do any wiki mentioning lyrics you MUST do your homework. I'm very sorry folks, saying what band performed the song is not sufficient citation. nine times out of ten the actual "band" did not write the song. It was written by someone else: a different band, or expressly the lead singer of the band and not the rest of the band, or two members of the band and not the rest of the band, a song writer...et cetera. This is the price to pay for spouting your mouth about other people's art, folks ;D))

















 


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2011-05-21 [Chimes]: *loiters*

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: Please read and comment! and I will respectfully ask that you please refrain from bantering, mock roleplaying or otherwise trolling the comments here. This wiki I want to be a serious Elftown standard that can really make a difference on this site.

2011-05-21 [hanhepi]: you're missing an ending to a center tag somewhere.

2011-05-21 [Lothuriel]: Can I fix you messed up tag?

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: Um you guys are really letting me down here. Did you think maybe the tag was incomplete because what I was writing was incomplete? WTF, I asked for rule reference, concept ideas and you nit pick a TAG???

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: And my power went out, com died had to find black phone in complete darkness, my day sucked, my best friend is moving, I have a headache and I get online to see the online equivalent to "hey, the laundry instructions tag on your otherwise awesome, expensive shirt is sticking out of your collor!" that makes me want to punch kittens, you guys. Come on!

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: *does nothing*

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: I'm gonna tighten all this up, get those awful rules no one wants to read onto a second wiki, commision some banners, have some HTML work done, etc. I just really want to hear IDEAS like does anyone like this concept? Does anyone want to participate? Does anyone have any suggestions? Did I eff up the rules?

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: There, had to put in a disclaimer in bold at the top. The broken tag is still there for the nitpicker who wants to encourage my wrath by so much as acknowledging it, even by fixing it. Come on Elftown, here's your chance,
here's the choice: join a wiki focused on persuasive essay and stories about
your beliefs, or tell me one more time that you didn't read anything and your OCD over that pink "missing center" warning made you blind to anything else! This kittens face hinges on your decision!!!

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: *Mercilessly crushes the face of a Japanese good luck cat trinket* okay, *throws away porcelin pieces of kitten* I said no comment trolling! *sigh* hard to resist, I know. Now for the love of all that is good and holy please send me suggestions!

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: No? I wanted a Salvador Dali PAINTING, argh lemme go find it

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: I've got The Disintegration of the Persistence of Memory hanging in my room.

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: Or rather lying, since there's not really any wall space for it.

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: Lol, nice. Find me the URL for a badass Dali print please, Mort! And if you really wanna help you'll get me Scott Mutter's untitled escalator print too! The one with the dude in the ocean and the massive sky escalator.

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: I can't do this shit on my phone... :(

2011-05-21 [Lilya Athena]: oh wow Darran how the heck did you get this many people? I'll think about some ideas but roight now I'm too busy with this up coming screenshots on Sunday XD

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: Remember... for maximum inviting, search for members who have been seen in the last week/month, copy them all, and paste them all in the invite box! That way, basically every active member of Elftown is invited!

2011-05-21 [hanhepi]: i really rather like the current concept for this wiki. this has a serious possibility of being awesome. (as far as the tag thing earlier, you asked for opinions, and my opinion was "dear god, please fix the broken tag before you take this too public." and since i myself have made the embarrassing mistake of taking a half-formatted wiki public, i was trying to save you some ridicule.)

2011-05-21 [Hiro Kitaki]: indeed...this is intresting [Sideways] *drop kicks [Sideways]*

2011-05-21 [Sideways]: Lol. Thanks for the tip on how to appeal to HTML nazis. XD anyway it's just a work in progress. I just want ideas an input from people who want this wiki to exist, lol. If all people got is "hey this wiki has got typoes, and broken tags and blah blah, and it's under construction, I am going to assume those minor pointless flaws will still be there when it's finished!!!" maybe I don't want those people to participate. Because they sound jaded and annoying and small minded to me, lol. This wiki is about opinion, argument and persuasion. NOT perfection.

Now promote EOD and give me REAL advice please ;D

2011-05-21 [hanhepi]: well, you know, if you polish a turd before you ram it down someone's throat, they're more likely to eat it. unfortunately, the crew code of conduct prevents me from expressing my feelings (about the way you just spoke to me) with the full eloquence i feel you deserve. keep in mind, my maiden name was Kern, so i'm sure you can imagine several of the things i would have said (if - as i've suspected for years - it really is genetic.) if i were not muzzled by the rules. :D

2011-05-21 [Mortified Penguin]: Why don't you council members all just make a clone house, so you can yell at people to your heart's content?

2011-05-21 [Lilya Athena]:   >____> can we all stop argueing over a silly typo? Seriously? It's fixed what's the problem?

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: *jaw drops at hanhepi* I probably would think those were fighting words if I could figure out what the hell you just said. I think you're mad I called you small minded so you wrote a lot of random words and made bizarre reference to my last name, so you think I'm a dumbass because of my last name? I've only ever made a report to the guards once. I'm tempted to about you, not because you offend me but because your schizophrenic, unintelligible nonsense about force-feeding people feces creeps me the hell out!!!

2011-05-22 [Sideways]: Also, thank you for the advertising idea Mort, but the very creation of this wiki is a social experiment. As awesome as this wiki is if the 7 or so people who I think are pretty smart and opinionated don't have any interest themselves, and don't share it with their like-minded friends, then EOD is doomed from the start. Because even if I get this wiki polished to perfection, have it all finished and ready to go, if no one wants to participate, then it's pointless!

I've always been worried Elftown was a closed loop of ideas and people, with nobody even WANTING to express themselves. That they see the oppurtunity to share ideas and see what each other really thinks and they go "Eh, I couldn't care less." if that's the case then why even try? If my own friends/people I respect don't want to promote this, then why should I try?

2011-05-22 [Lilya Athena]: You know I'm going to support you sweety QAQ what do you need help with?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: This wiki needs sub-pages. Sweet, sweet sub-pages.

2011-05-23 [Sideways]: You're on the crew, Mort! Even as a Troll you've got a say! This wiki is freely editable, so make some subpages! :D

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: That sounds like a lot of work.

2011-05-23 [Sideways]: *sigh* apathy/lethargy, the worlds leading killer of smart people. What do you suggest I change? I'll do it myself if you don't want to.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I dunno. I just want more stuff to click.

2011-05-23 [Sideways]: Well, I'm at the point where the concept is finished. I still need help with promotion and formatting and I want to hear what people like/don't like about it so far. So do that thing about spamming active et members. I think it's a great idea but it's against my principles, lol.

2011-05-24 [Elwyne]: (blinks curiously)

2011-05-24 [Hiro Kitaki]: *is promoting*

2011-05-25 [Lothuriel]: You know [Sideways] I like you but, there is really no need to rip someone a new one for offering up help. Seriously dude. Chill the fuck out.

Aside from that. Things are looking good. I am eager to see what sort of response this gets.

I especially like [Mortified Penguin]'s title, hehe.

2011-05-25 [Sideways]: Thanks Loth! And yeah I am working hard on chilling the fuck, as they say :) it's been a rough month.

2011-05-25 [Lothuriel]: LOL exactly how does one chill on the fuck? Now I am curious...ok maybe I don't want to know!<img:stuff/sa-gif.gif>

2011-05-25 [Sideways]: Yeah, [Alexi Ice] forgot to remove her name from this wiki... She took her name off all my other stuff... She hates meh now :(

2011-05-25 [Lothuriel]: :[ Howcome?

2011-05-25 [Sideways]: We had a fight over an outright misunderstanding. She won't accept my apology or the fact that neither of us were aware of what was really happening. So, yeah. :(

2011-05-25 [Mortified Penguin]: At least you can take solace in the fact that Bob's Diner will always be there for you.

2011-05-25 [Lord Josmar]: I love the fact that you can work in bobs diner in every wiki you comment in... :P

2011-05-25 [Sideways]: *Gasp* Lord Josmar is finally here! Tell me what you think of the wiki so far??

2011-05-25 [Lord Josmar]: Lolz. I have been here all along, just lurking. Looks like it will be interesting once it gets kicking.

2011-05-25 [Sideways]: Questions, Comments, Ideas???

2011-05-25 [Hiro Kitaki]: *dosent wanna chill on t3h fuck* >.>'

2011-05-25 [Flisky]: That Cure ad makes me chuckle. ^_^

2011-05-26 [Elwyne]: (blinks and watches from a corner)

2011-05-27 [Mystin]: Great idea!

2011-05-27 [Sideways]: I need banners and format help!

2011-05-27 [Mystin]: Do you want like a transparent banner or like something with a stock image?

2011-05-27 [Sideways]: Um... I dunno what that means ^__^; just something cool and professional!

2011-05-27 [Mystin]: Well I made some banners for the slave trade contest, and I'm working on one for morts wiki. If you want my help on this let me know! :-)

2011-05-27 [Sideways]: I absolutely would like your help!

2011-05-27 [Mystin]: Ok cool I'll see what I can come up with!

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: I'm really sorry that you hated my graphics, but if you need anything else please let me know. :-)

2011-05-29 [Sideways]: I did not hate them! I just really wanted a simple banner, like the wiki name in a cool font...

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Well I'll tell you what, if you can tell me what font you like I'll give it another go. If you want to move on to another graphics person, I totally understand. I just simply want your wiki to be successful because it seems like a useful wiki to our community!

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Banner added to wiki

2011-05-29 [Sideways]: I like that! Can I use it?

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Yes of course!

2011-05-29 [Lord Josmar]: What program did you use to make that?

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Adobe Photoshop Editor

2011-05-29 [Lord Josmar]: Thats what I thought. Im gonna have to learn how to make my stuff look that good.

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Well the font was a big part of it lol. Sideways wanted something cool and simple, I think I kinda nailed it! :-)

2011-05-29 [Hiro Kitaki]: 5\/\/337

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: Is that a good thing?

2011-05-29 [Lord Josmar]: yes it is. Its Leet speak for sweet.

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: I see!!

2011-05-29 [Lord Josmar]: I thought about translating my profile into leet speak at one time, but after I realized I wouldnt be able to use my dividers or anything like that I decided against it.

2011-05-29 [Chimes]: Tip: Always make graphics match each other. :)

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: lol, I made the welcome too! I wanted it to have some color. Maybe it need a fancy border?

2011-05-29 [Chimes]: It's more the font style, you'd need a more straight/simple font, the welcome should be smaller than the wiki title too, ideally. If you wanted colour, it would work better if both texts had the colour. :) (sorry, design is something I'm really into.)

2011-05-29 [Mystin]: I'll leave it like this for now, I'm working on many wikis at one time lol so I can't always make things perfect :-( fail.

2011-05-29 [Chimes]: Not a fail. Perfection is hard :)

2011-05-30 [Mystin]: How do you join this wiki?

2011-05-30 [Lord Josmar]: Congrats! You've joined, lolz....

2011-05-30 [Sideways]: Hey Mystin just put your name under mine on the EOD staff as a format editor or whatever you want

2011-05-31 [Mystin]: Hope that works for you

2011-06-06 [Hiro Kitaki]: J0!

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